Ok, so a lot of things have happened over the course of the past two weeks. As you know, last week I was at UMBC for their Graduate Horizons program. Basically, they were trying to recruit minorities to their Ph.D programs. Honestly, they have a really really really really good program their which I would probably choose over Hopkins (one of the students there did) if I had to. Anyway, the program really served to prove to me that I truly do not want to get a Ph.D. There is absolutely no excitement in it for me. As the different students talked to me about their research, yeah some were interesting, but they were so excited about it, and I just couldn’t see myself doing that. They actually took some shots at M.D.s saying that when you are a physician, you can only help one person at a time, but when you are a scientist, you can help thousands of people at a time. Mehhhh, there is some truth to that, but in terms of saving lives, there are very few Ph.Ds to me that are actually doing that. I could be wrong, but yeah, that’s how I feel. Anyway, in summary, UMBC is a great school that if I choose to get my Ph.D, I would go to. The Lord is really good. And I am realizing more and more that I’m really not accomplishing anything on my own. I took my plant biology test two weeks ago, and I was really down after I took it. I had written out my notes, but I waited till the night before to study them for the test, so going into the test I didn’t feel like I completely mastered the information and after the test I felt like I got a lot incorrect. Now normally I wouldn’t feel too bad, but since I missed the first test due to being on the Hurricane Rita mission, this test was going to count double on my grade. The prospect of getting two 70%s on a test was about to give me an ulcer. Anyway stress is a result of not remembering how the Lord brought you out of the situation before, so after awhile I prayed and gave it to the Lord, and it was out of site out of mind. Anyway, we get our tests back on Monday and I got a 90%!!! Then I found out that that was the 2nd highest grade on that test!!!! Now of course, I didn’t want all that, but the Lord went above and beyond what I asked Him for! Anyway, what I learned from that experience is that for medical school I’m not going to be able to cram the night before. I need to be constantly studying every night so I can grasp the information. So that’s what I’m going to endeavor to do. As you all know, this past Sunday and Monday, The Dean of Mayo Clinic Medical School, the Dean of Mayo Clinic Graduate School, and Barbara Porter the Director of Admissions were at Oakwood College. They gave us a WEALTH of information, and I’m going to share as much as I can. The first person that got up was the Dean of the medical school, Dr. Linder (I think). This is the important stuff I wrote down; he told us: Mayo Clinic is known for its multispecialty, integrated group practice. We are all about teamwork, and many of the doctors are highly specialized, so just about any case that is presented, an expert exists to give his opinion. In everything that we do, the needs of the patient come first. We believe that research and education are integral to our organization. Mayo Clinic is a NON-FOR-PROFIT health center, so all the doctors are on steady salaries. Therefore whether a doctor runs more tests, or less tests, he’ll still get paid the same. Therefore, you have less prevalence of doctors at Mayo Clinic, ordering 1,000 tests to cover their butts. This also gives Mayo doctors the opportunity to teach more because they won’t be penalized by not doing extra; they’ll still get paid the same amount of money. All in all, this ensures that the patient gets the best care. Mayo Clinic has about 160 medical students. Physicians usually make the administrative decisions at Mayo Clinic. So when important decisions are made, they are made with the patients in mind, not by business professionals who don’t know about patients care.
Mayo Clinic normally performs above and beyond other schools. Take a look at these numbers:
| |
U.S. Med Schools |
Mayo 2005 |
Mayo 2004 |
Mayo 2003 |
| URM |
8% |
19% |
17.5% |
22.7% |
| Step 1 |
216 |
227 |
227 |
235 |
| Graduate % |
93.7 |
100 |
100 |
100 |
| Authoring |
33% |
80% |
80% |
82% |
As you can see, Mayo Clinic leads in accepting minorities, we lead in Step 1 scores, we lead in the number of students we graduate, and we lead in the number of our students publishing articles.
The average students at Mayo Clinic should expect to be about $4,500 in debt a year. (I said WOW to this). We keep out student body small so we can make sure that our students aren’t worrying about money but are free to help serve mankind. We also have scholarships for our medical students to help them if they decide to work in undeserved areas. Mayo Clinic truly tries to look beyond the numbers.
Things you should know about Mayo Clinic are our Diversity Initiatives, which include:
Diversity Scholarship Program
Prematriculation/Transition activities
URM Lunches
MCCM Multicultural Center
HBCU relationships
Active engagements with premedical advisors
Although there has been a mandate by the AAMC, Mayo Clinic will not increase the size of its classes, once again to make sure that the students we have very little debt. He said some other things, and then the Dean of the Graduate School got up to talk. I didn’t write down anything he said because I’m interested in a M.D., but something he said was really interesting. He was going down the list of things they look for in the applicant, and out of 10 items, GRE score was at the bottom at the list. And he continued to stress how much more they were interested in the other parts of your application.
Anyway, after that Barbara Porter (who is a really great lady by the way) got up to speak. The important stuff I thought she mentioned is below:
I suggest that you have a broad spectrum of schools that you apply to. Have some schools that you definitely think, based on numbers and school selectivity, you can get into, then have some schools that are in the middle in terms of your chances, then list a couple of dream schools.
UNDERGRADUATE YEARS IN REVIEW
The choice of an undergraduate institution is important, but not very (which is clear because as selective as Mayo Clinic is, two Oakwood students have been accepted into their medical schools recently. Your choice of major is important, but not very. Mayo actually likes non-science majors. Your timing is EXTREMELY important. Meaning that when you take the MCAT, think Spring, to maximize your chances. Now of course, when they change to the computer format you will have more options, but for now, think Spring MCAT. Also, in dealing with applications, APPLY early. Like the day AMCAS turns on, you should have your information ready to submit.
SELECTION CRITERIA
The overall breadth and dept of your academic profile and personal experiences is what matters. Don’t be afraid to list your academic achievements. Mayo DEFINITETLY wants to see commitment to service, humanism, and altruistic values. For example, I have to look over a lot of applications, and some times I take them home. Well one day, my daughter saw an application of a student from Harvard with a 4.0, and a 38 on his MCAT, and I was marking red all over it. She asked me why I was rejecting him. I told her that although this student has many academic awards, there is absolutely no example of him/her stepping outside his/her self and help others. This truly happened and it shows you the importance to Mayo Clinic about service.
START SCREEN SCORE/ CUT OFF SCORE
Many schools have this, but Mayo Clinic has a screen score. This screen score basically is a score that gets you into the pool of applicants that we consider for an interview. At Mayo Clinic you need to have at least a 60 screen score to be considered. To calculate your screen score you use this equation: 10 X GPA + MCAT score = screen score . The average MCAT score at Mayo is a 32, the average GPA at Mayo is a 3.8, and the average screen score at Mayo is a 70. Now remember, these are averages, so there are many below and many above.
Mayo Clinic also requires one extra class for you to apply. On top of Biology, G. Chem, O. Chem, and Physics, Mayo Clinic requires you to take Biochemistry.
PERSONAL EXPERIENCES
Mayo Clinic is looking to train physicians that will serve society and be leaders. In terms of extracurricular activities, we care more about PATTERNS than CHECKLISTS. Meaning we would rather see you stick to a couple things than you list 1000 different volunteering experiences. We also care more about DURATION than QUANTITY. So once again, we would rather see you volunteer for something for 2 months in the summer than you volunteer for 1,000 different organizations. And once again, Mayo puts on value judgments on your extracurricular activities. We don’t hold mission work, over working with the Peace Corps, over doing religious medical missions.
Mayo likes to see community service, healthcare service, healthcare exploration, research, leadership, and overall breadth and depth. What else matters at Mayo is diversity, athletes (like those), relevant professional work experiences, international travel (like that), extensive worldviews, and mastery of a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th language.
As many people like to know just how selective Mayo is (we are the most selective), here are some numbers: 3000 apply
1800 make the screen score
500 advance to the secondary process which includes telephone interviews and LORs
250 are invited on site
50-60 appointments to medical school are made
Only 42 actually spots are available in the medical school, less even for the M.D. only (34 are M.D., 6 are M.D./PhD., 2 are oral maxofacial surgery studuents)
Mayo medical school is in the middle of everything on the campus, so there is no real driving around. Mayo Medical school WAIVES the grades for the first two years because they want very little competition; that’s why we have a Pass/Fail system. The fact is that everyone in medical school is smart, but someone has to be in the bottom 50% of the class, therefore why worry about your class standing when all of you will be doctors? That’s why Mayo uses Pass/ Fail. At Mayo there is no competitive atmosphere. In fact, Harvard, Mayo and another medical school are the only medical schools in the country that don’t have a Medical School Honor Socitey, for the simple fact that is counterproductive. Its counterproductive because you have to choose the top 15% to be in the Society, but in their class, you are talking about 9 people, which really doesn’t make sense.
The average debt of Mayo graduates is $60,000. If you decide to do an M.D./J.D. the tuition is waived for law school and you are given $10,000 towards room and board.
All in all, it was a very very informative day. They next day, Monday, Barbara Porter stayed back to hold group mock interviews in the Biology department. She told us that its very good to do mock interviews to be ready for the excitement of being asked questions in an interview. She also said that professionalism is very important at Mayo, which includes you décor, you dress (remember medicine is a very conservative field), talk (don’t use slang like, “Wow Ms. Porter, that’s cool.” Say, “That’s amazing Mrs. Porter”. )
Remember the three million dollar questions that you should ALWAYS have in your pocket ready to answer. 1) Why do you want to be a physician? Make sure you have succinct answers always ready. Make sure your answer goes along with personal statement 2) Why do you want to go to this X school? Please, no general stuff. Use very specific reasons as to why, and do your homework first to found out about the school. 3) Tell me about yourself. They want to know your strengths, weaknesses, goals, joys, aspirations, etc. Say all this in a very short, brief manner. Stories are always good, and it helps the interviewer remember you when he/she presents your file to the admissions committee.
Make sure you keep up on current issues like health disparities, the uninsured, biotechnology, cloning, euthasia, Terry Shiavo, etc. When you are asked a question about a current issue that you don’t know about, don’t be afraid to said that you haven’t quite researched that topic yet. Pleaes, DO NOT make up something to try to sound knowledgeable. We can see right through that.
When asked if you are applying to other schools, SAY YES. When they ask you which ones, don’t be afraid to tell you, they are usually asking this question to see how broad of a school selection you have.
Make sure you say thank you when you leave, and make sure you sand a HAND WRITTEN, PERSONAL thank you card back to your interviewer.
Mayo has 1,100 residents, and about 40% of them graduated from Mayo medical school. Mayo has about 89 operating suites and more MRI machines than the whole country of Canada. You can’t apply as a faculty to Mayo, you are only invited. The lowest MCAT she’s every accepted into the school was a 24, but this person has A LOT of extracurricular experiences.
Overall I can say that I was quite impressed with Mayo Clinic, and all the preconceived ignorant notions I had about Mayo have been dispelled. The fact that they are so dedicated to missions are reduced the debt of their medical schools to promote service really impressed me. That fact that there are only 34 actual M.D. students means that there are much more faculty to med students, which means more support when you have problems. I also like that if you decide to do a mission, they’ll literally fund the project. Anyway, I’m definitely adding Mayo to my list of schools I’m apply to. We’ll see how that goes.
Hopefully this post was helpful. I got carpal tunnel syndrome from typing it, but it was well worth it :-).